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    Default Is Jehovah an E.T. (Extraterrestrial)? By Dorothy Leon

    I came across this book some years back and got it on my Kindle. I've taken excerpts from the book which I will post on this thread in sequence...

    When you read it, which is passages from the bible itself (evidence) you will see for yourself and make up your mind.

    This thread (book) might shock some believers, if you can't take it, drop it. Leave and don't read it. But then again, everything the book dishes out is from the bible. The author asks questions and gives suggestions.. Sometimes her opinions get in the way, which I will bracket, but the main thing is sticking to the bible passages....
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    "The ancient pronunciation was approximately Yahweh which, because of the lack of vowels in the Hebrew alphabet, was spelled with the letters corresponding to YHWH.
    Later a system of written vowels evolved. . . . Writers put the vowels of the word for Lord (Adonai) around the consonants of the divine name. Early Christians read the word as it was written. Out of this blunder came the name Jehovah.

    Jehovah? Whoever he was, he was not the Highest God, for the Bible assures us that the "True God" does not "tempt" man; that Lucifer is the "adversary/tempter. The Bible also indicates that Jehovah and Satan are one and the same. Jehovah acted surprised to learn about the "Tower of Babel" rebellion, but again, this may have been one of his ploys.

    Jehovah did not claim to be the only "god." Others, such as "Adrammelech, Anammelech, Ashima, Ashtarath, Asshur, Ba'al, Ba'alim, Ba'alzebub, Chemosh, Dagon, Milcom, Moloch, Nergal, Nibhaz, Succoth-benoth, and Tartak, are mentioned throughout the Bible. These various tribal "gods" even had technological contests to see who could send down the most powerful "fire from heaven".

    To distinguish himself from other gods, some of which were in the form of idols, Jehovah called himself the "Living God", although many of the others were also living beings. Some were in "heaven", while others were on earth. The Bible makes it clear that mankind expected the "gods" to come down to earth "in the likeness of men." Due to stiff competition from these "other gods," Jehovah was quite "jealous." lie warned Moses: "Thou shalt have no other 'gods' before me . . . thou shalt not revile the 'gods;' he that sacrificeth unto any 'god,' save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."
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    When he appeared to Abraham, making a "covenant" and promising to be a "god" to Abraham's "seed", he did not agree to the "god" of other nations. Each tribal "god" was assigned a different area for their "inheritance". Moses explained this to the Hebrews, saying: "Remember the days of old . . . when the Most High [not Jehovah, but a higher God] divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. For the Lord's [Jehovah's] portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance." (The Hebrews were later called "Israelites", meaning "warriors", then "Jews".)

    Abraham's name, "Abram," was changed to "A-braham," since the Hindus called each of their initiates, a "brahmin." He was blessed in the "Valley of Shaveh," which may have represented "Shiva," the third member of the Hindu Trinity: BhahmaNishnulShiva.

    In the ancient pre-Vedic teachings of India, before Brahminism, the "Unknown God" was termed "Brahma;" in the pre-Menes and Osirian Hermetic teachings, this Force was called "Divine Mind;" the Freemasons called God "First Cause;" the pre-Mosaic oriental Gnostics used the term "Nameless One;" the Kabala referred to our Divine Source as "Ain Soph;" and Jesus called God the "Father that dwelleth within."

    David said: "God [Jehovah] standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the 'gods," indicating that he is but one of the judges. But Jesus said the "Father Within" did not judge,
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    The Old Testament refers to a higher Lord who served as Jehovah's "redeemer," saying: "Thus saith the Lord, the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts ... I [Jehovah] will proclaim the name of the LORD [Unknown God] before thee. "

    This hierarchy of different Gods is also indicated in the scriptures: "There am I; and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.... The Lord [Jehovah] descended in the cloud, and stood with him [Moses] there, and proclaimed the name of the [Unknown] LORD."

    His anger.
    David sang about Jehovah: "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel."
    When Moses sang praises to Jehovah, he declared: "The Lord is a Man of War;" in Job we read: "The glory of his nostrils is terrible... He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage. He saith among the trumpets, ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting." "Ha ha?"

    In addition to being war-like he also seems to have been a bit sadistic, thoroughly enjoying the battles! Does this sound like the same being that is referred to in the New Testament as the merciful "God of Love?" Hardly!


    Jehovah is also described as a "consuming, devouring, refiner's fire," who travels inside a "fiery throne" (spacecraft), allowing the brightness to shine around him as "glory. ,
    The Old Testament describes his technology: "For the Lord God is a sun and a shield.... The Lord shall cause His powerful voice to be heard and shall show the fire with the flame of a devouring fire; hailstones and coals of fire." When Moses was with this high-tech space "god,"Jehovah, for forty days on Mt. Sinai, his face shone with this "glory," causing him to cover it with a "veil."

    Was this "glory" or radiation?
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    During his absence, the Hebrews had been enslaved in Egypt for four-hundred-thirty years. When he finally returned to hear their "cries," he helped Moses free them. In the seventh century BC, another space "god," a bearded, human-like figure, Ahura Mazda, appeared to Zoroaster in a round flying vehicle that had two jutting landing legs. Jehovah instructed the Hebrew prophets from Joshua to Malachi until around 450 BC, then seems to have disappeared again until the birth of Jesus.

    The "Star of Bethlehem" (a spacecraft, a "Seraphic Transport," or an ethereal "Merkaba Vehicle") appeared the night Jesus was born then "went before the wisemen" and spoke to the shepherds. During the life of Jesus, a great deal of technology manifested--either mechanical or etheric--including his virgin birth (artificial insemination?); the "voice" and the light "descending like a dove" at his baptism (a hologram?); the craft that moved him around in the "wilderness" (teleportation?); the "transfiguration" in which the ascended beings, Moses and Elijah appeared, then allowed Jesus and the disciples to "enter into the cloud" (spacecraft?) and at his ascension when he was "taken up" into "a cloud" (beamed up into the craft?). Technology may also have been present in the blinding light at Paul's conversion.

    Jehovah's next direct contact may have been around 600 AD when Mohammed was visited by Archangel Gabriel. Perhaps at that time he had given up on both the Jews and the Christians, hence an Islamic Dome of the Rock is situated on the hill of Moriah. Another "close encounter" came in 1820 AD to Joseph Smith, who found and translated The Mormon, of Book an ancient set of golden plates upon which was inscribed the history of the lost tribe of Joseph, "whose branches run over the wall [ocean]."
    Unlike the other tribes who were given land in "Canaan," Joseph's inheritance extended to "the utmost bound of the everlasting hills [America]." Both the Koran and The Book of Mormon refer to "God" as the "God of Moses," hence he was Jehovah.
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    ................... but it was also a land that could produce meat for him and his "host" of astronauts, who were no doubt tired of eating "manna." Perhaps this is why their human followers were called "servants of Jehovah" and why Jehovah "had no respect" for Cain's vegetable sacrifice. Even today cattle are often taken or mutilated by spacecraft, but they don't seem to bother gardens or orchards!
    According to the prophet Isaiah, the "gods" have an appetite for "fat things full of marrow and well-refined wine."

    The gruesome practice of sacrifice is mentioned at the very beginning of the Old Testament when Cain, "a tiller of the ground," brought "the fruit of the ground as an offering," while Abel, "a keeper of sheep," brought "the firstlings of his flock and the fat thereof.

    From then on sacrificing animals became the norm. It was believed that "without the shedding of blood there is no redemption from sins.

    After the flood, Noah sacrificed "beasts," and when Jehovah "smelled the sweet savor" he vowed not to again curse the ground."
    Why curse the ground that feeds you?

    Jehovah later instructed Abraham to sacrifice a three-year old heifer, a three-year old she goat, a three-year old ram, a turtledove and a young pigeon. After Abraham had done so, "a smoking furnace and a burning lamp passed between those pieces." --> (The meat was beamed up) and the astronauts enjoyed a feast! And what a feast that would be! One cow, one goat, one ram and two birds!
    Why else were they so particular about Abraham's use of young, tender animals?
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    Before the Law of Moses, with its officiating priesthood temple, and consecrated altar, sacrifices were performed by the head of each family. After that only a priest could perform the rite. Aaron and his sons, the first to be sanctified as officiating priests, sacrificed a calf, a goat, a bull and a ram. After they had blessed the people, "the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the people. And there came a fire out from before the Lord, and consumed upon the altar the burnt offering and the fat; which when all the people saw, they shouted, and fell on their faces."

    (my own comment-----this is so interesting..... more will come later)


    When an angel appeared to Gideon, after he had prepared for him "a kid and unleavened cakes," the angel touched them with his staff and "consumed them, (beamed them up)". David, Solomon, Elijah and Job's burnt offerings were also "consumed.".
    (No wonder Jehovah was "full of the burnt offerings," his humans fed him well!)

    After spending forty years in the wilderness, the Hebrews continued their daily practice of sacrifice in "the land of Canaan." And these sacrifices were not small, they were huge! The Old Testament reports:
    "And they sacrificed sacrifices unto the Lord, and offered burnt offerings on the morrow after that day, even a thousand bullocks, a thousand rams, and a thousand lambs.

    "Hezekiah said, come near and bring sacrifices and thank offerings into the house of the Lord... And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought, was three-score and ten bullocks, an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs: all these were for a burnt offering to the Lord. And the consecrated things were six hundred oxen and three thousand sheep... And also the burnt offerings were in abundance, with the fat of the peace offerings, and the drink offerings for every burnt offering."

    "Solomon offered a sacrifice of peace offerings, which he offered unto the Lord, two and twenty thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep. The brazen altar that was before the Lord was too little to receive the burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and the fat of the peace offerings. Solomon and the congregation of Israel sacrificed sheep and oxen, which could not be told nor numbered for multitude.

    Jehovah and his host did not "consume" all the sacrifices, a "remnant" was to be eaten by the Levite priests. When Solomon completed the temple, Jehovah said: "I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice, but he was not pleased with all the sacrifices, or in some cases, the neglect of them. He registered several complaints:
    "Thou hast not brought me the small cattle of thy burnt offerings; neither hast thou honored me with thy sacrifices. I have not caused thee to serve with an offering, nor wearied thee with incense. Thou hast bought me no sweet cane with money [honey?], nor hast thou filled with the fat of thy sacrifices; but thou halt made me to serve with thy sins, thou has wearied me with thine iniquities. "
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    "Is there iniquity in Gilead? Surely they are vanity: they sacrifice bullocks in Gilgal, yea, their altars are as heaps in the furrows of the fields." "The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination, how much more when he bringeth it with a wicked mind."
    "They sacrifice flesh for the sacrifices of mine offerings, and eat it; but the Lord accepteth them not. Now will he remember their iniquity and visit their sins.
    "They shall not offer wine offerings to the Lord, neither shall they be pleasing unto him: their sacrifices all he unto them as the bread of mourners; all that eat thereof shall be polluted; for their bread for their soul shall not come into the house of the Lord."

    "Cursed be the deceiver, which hath in his flock a male, and voweth, and sacrificeth unto the Lord a corrupt thing: for I am a great King, saith the Lord of hosts!"
    Sounds a bit arrogant, doesn't it? And these sacrifices were not only offered to Jehovah, "the God of Israel," but to many other gods, who were not idols, but living beings; other ancient astronauts. In some cases even children were sacrificed, however, Jehovah was against this practice.

    The prophet Samuel was the first person to suggest that Jehovah enjoyed "obedience more than sacrifice." Then David, stating that his ears had been "opened," wrote: "For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I offering. give it: thou delightest not in burnt"
    Later, David's son, Solomon, said: "To do justice and judgement is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice. Jehovah himself declared: "If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fullness thereof. Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats? Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the Most High." But other scriptures state that he did eat the sacrifices.

    In Isaiah we read: "To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord; I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats."
    Jeremiah denied that Jehovah had ever commanded them to make sacrifices; Hosea reported: "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings;"

    and Micah asked: "Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rains, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? ... What doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" But these prophets blatantly contradicted the instructions given in the Law of Moses that demanded daily sacrifices. (The Bible often contradicts itself.)

    Daniel said the sacrifices would cease, but his contemporary, Ezekiel, who was contacted by the spacecraft, gave new instructions. Therefore after the Hebrews returned to their homeland, sacrifices were given daily. The practice lingered on until the time of Jesus, who tipped over the tables in the temple, advocating "mercy not sacrifice. The Hebrews had some concept of this philosophy, for when Jesus questioned them, a scribe answered: "To love him [God] with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbor as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
    Paul said: "Present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service, for Christ ... the ultimate sacrifice that need be performed only once ... hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God."

    In the Old Testament the sacrifices were generally large animals such as oxen, bulls, sheep and goats, but during the time of Jesus, they had been reduced mostly to birds. Jesus did however, find men selling "sheep and oxen" in the temple. When Mary and Joseph brought the baby Jesus to the temple, they sacrificed, "according to the Law of Moses: a pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons." Jesus did not require sacrifices, but asked only that we love God and love one another.
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    The Bible describes the vehicles of the "gods" as bright lights, flashes of lightning, fire and smoke that causes strong wind, whirlwinds, earthquakes and loud peals of thunder. Does this remind you of a launching at Cape Canaveral'? Two types of space suits are also described. (1) "shining garments the color of burnished brass, amber or beryl" with "the loins girded with fine gold," and (2) "garments white as snow, with paps girded with a golden girdle," with "arms and feet like polished brass. In addition to vehicles and gear, the Bible also speaks of astronomy, listing the "seven stars of Pleiades, Arcturus with his sons, Orion, the chambers of the south, the crooked serpent and Mazzaroth (the Zodiac)
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    I believe in my Mercedes-Benz as being the vehicle "of the "gods" as bright lights, flashes of lightning, fire and smoke that causes strong wind, whirlwinds, earthquakes and loud peals of thunder."
    It was precisely like that, and it was real on earth. And itvwas faster than anything else on earth. Only in sky other things were faster. So let's come back to soild to talk about reality. Is this a Ghana forum or what? Where are the Ghana'ans? I don't see any real people of Ghana in this new forum. Where are the real people? Why they do not join it?

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    "Can any understand the spreadings of the CLOUDS, or the noise of his tabernacle?

    Behold he spreadeth his light upon it, and covereth the bottom of the sea.... With CLOUDS he covereth = the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the CLOUD that cometh betwixt. The noise thereof sheweth concerning it; also concerning the vapor.
    "Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble."
    "He holdeth back the face of his throne and spreadeth his CLOUD upon it."
    "God, who rideth upon the heaven in his excellency on the sky ... maketh the CLOUDS his CHARIOT ... walketh upon the wings of the wind.
    "[He] will hiss unto them from the end of the earth; and behold they shall come with speed swiftly."
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    This would indicate that Jehovah surrounds himself with "clouds" and travels "swiftly" in these "noisy, hissing, vapor-emitting" vehicles. In technical terms these smoke-billowing "cloud" particles could be described as by-products of the exhaust emissions from the spacecraft's propulsion system, a process similar to our modern jet streams. Retro-rockets and main thrusters make a tremendous noise in their descent. In addition to "thunder," the Bible also describes their noise as "hornets" or the "sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. No wonder the Native Americans called them "Thunderbirds"!

    The Bible says these noisy, vaporous "clouds" have "wheels" and "wings." When Isaiah was beamed aboard, he said of Jehovah's "throne" (a term that seems to indicate the space commander's chair or the inside of the craft), "The posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke."[/I] [I]A door that opens to one's voice command sounds quite technical, doesn't it? In addition to "doors," the scriptures inform us that the craft also had "windows," and "gates.

    The Bible says the "glory of the Lord" is in the "clouds" and "his voice came out of the cloud."
    Whenever the being within the craft spoke, it sounded like "a host" or a "multitude," the "sound of many waters," the "voice of a trumpet," or a "voice of mighty thunderings."
    Such descriptions clearly reveal a loudspeaker. When you substitute the word angel for astronaut, and cloud for spacecraft, the Bible makes perfect sense. It was certainly not unusual for the ancient bedouin tribes to mistake such a dynamic display of technology for God! When a World War II airplane crashed on a remote island, the natives worshipped it as a "god." It is human nature to revere that which we do not understand.
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    "Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet.... He made darkness his secret place; his pavilions round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. At the brightness that was before his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.


    "Bow the heavens, 0 Lord, and come down; touch the mountains, and they shall smoke ... toucheth the land, and it shall melt."
    "The Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down and tread upon the high places of the earth. And the mountains shall he molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as waters that are poured down a steep place."
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    "The Lord will roar from Zion; and the habitations of the shepherds shall mourn, and the top of Carmel shall wither.
    "0 God, when thou wentest forth before thy people, when thou didst march through the wilderness; The earth shook, the heavens also dropped at the presence of God; even Sinai itself was moved at the presence of God.... Why leap ye, ye high hills?'
    "Rend the heavens; the fire causeth the waters to boil; when thou didst terrible things . . . thou camest down, the mountains flowed down at thy ..presence.
    "Lord, when thou wentest out of Sier, when tho marchedst out of the field of Edom, the earth trembled, and the heavens dropped, the clouds also dropped water. The mountains meltedst from before the Lord."
    "A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw and trembled. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord.
    "The voice of the Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory thundereth: the voice of the Lord is powerful; the voice of the Lord is full of majesty. The voice of the Lord breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn. The voice of the Lord divideth the flames of fire. The voice of the Lord shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. The voice of the Lord maketh the hinds to calve, and discovereth the forests.

    "The mountains skipped like rams, and the little hills like lambs.... Tremble, thou earth, at the presence of the Lord.
    "With the multitude of my chariots I am come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon, and will cut down the tall cedar trees thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof; and I will enter into the lodgings of his borders, and into the forest of Carmel. I have digged and drunk strange waters, and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of besieged places.
    "God came from Teman (south), and the Holy One from Mount Paran. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went the pestilence, and burning coals went forth at his feet. He stood, and measured the earth: he beheld and drove asunder the nations; and the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow."

    "Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence, as when the melting fire burneth, the fire causeth the waters to.............

    What would cause this tremendous reaction and the illusion of fire? Perhaps the heat of the rocket thrusters and propulsion devices, exhaust sparks from the main thruster or the feathering action of the directional thruster. You will also note in the scriptures above that the entire craft was often considered to be "God" or an angel, rather than a divine being inside a vehicle. This is especially evident in the case of Ezekiel, in which he considered the four whirling portions of the craft to be "living creatures." When a "chariot of fire" appeared to him, he said: "I looked, and behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calfs foot; and they sparkled like the color of burnished brass"
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    yea man .... and this goes more to the moses and Israelites in egypt story ... not everything is reported in the bible ...

    anyways things to think about is that, moses grew up in the palace .... anyways the egyptian priests trained any potential pharoah to be their puppet .... who knows the trainning they gave moses .....

    i suspect this whole chosen people is an agenda of the egyptian priests and the entities that influenced them.

    now is it possible that the israelites journeying through the wilderness for 40 years had some assistance from other worldly enitities? absolutely .....

    ..... good post kwaku black chinese
    statistics are what other people have chosen to make real.

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    Extraterrestrials Prophecy: Biblical in "Verses four to twenty-eight of the first chapter of the Book of Ezekiel are a brief though vivid account of a spacecraft's approach, braking action, and landing. Ezekiel describes four helicopter-like appendages used for feathering the final descent as well as the main thruster and control rockets in service as the ship hovers, then observes the landing wheels of the ship as it rolls to the ground. The wheels appear to be reversible and retractable and are of special interest to him.. . (He) interprets the landing legs and pads and helicopter-like rotor assemblies and fairings attached to the craft as living, attending Cherubim. . . . In Revelation (Rev. 4:6-8), the seraphim of 'six wings' each (four wings with Ezekiel) are used to explain the four helicopter-like engines and their blades used in this particular design of craft which is found in various places in the Old Testament and as late as Saint John. . . . As in Revelation, the singing, whirring helicopter pods are interpreted by Isaiah (Isa. 6:1-8) as the seraphim offering praise to the Lord.

    Another flowery term the Bible uses for the landing legs and feet is "candlesticks." While observing a craft, Zechariah states: "I have looked and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl [upside down] on top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof."
    The "seven lamps" were no doubt windows with lights inside. The term "eyes" is also used to designate the windows of the craft.


    (my comment,,, clearly a bowl upside down is what has been described as a flying saucer)..
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    John, like other prophets, thought the entire vehicle wa a divine being. When he saw the craft bringing Jesus, he described: "I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man ... and he had in his right hand seven stars; and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth.... And, behold a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice ... said, Come up hither and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter." Similar to the craft seen by Zechariah, John saw a series of sevens. The "two-edged sword" that came out of the craft's mouth was no doubt a ramp or walkway, since it was accompanied by the door being "opened in heaven" and the voice bidding him to "come up hither." These crafts, depicted by the upside-down "bowl," seem to be disc-shaped, as opposed to the "cigar" shapes, which the Bible calls a "cloudy pillar," a "flying roll" or a "scroll.
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    In addition to these specific appearances, the craft also performed specific tasks. The Bible says:
    "And the Lord went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light.... And the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: and it came between the camp of the Egyptians and the camp of Israel.... The Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians. ,
    "And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a THICK CLOUD upon the mount and the VOICE of the trumpet exceedingly loud [loudspeaker]: so that all the people in the cam trembled."
    "The fire of the Lord burnt among them and consumed them ... there went out fire from the Lord and devoured them.


    "The Lord rained upon Sodom and upo Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven ... thunder and hail and the fire ran along upon the ground; and the Lord rained hail upon the land of Egypt; there was hail, and fire mingled with the hail."

    To destroy entire cities, they must have been equipped with lasers, missiles and nuclear explosives. Evidence of nuclear blasts and vitrification are found in various places on earth. At the Ba'albek terrace in Lebanon, site of the oldest known temple of Ba'al, is found the most massive megalithic structure on earth. With slabs weighing 800 to 1,000 tons each, it evidently served as a spaceport. Miles and miles of scorched, blasted and broken rocks are also found in Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Austria, and the Sinai Peninsula. Rux further explains:
    "Vitrification is the fusing of brick or stone into glassine glaze by extreme heat, which is common to nuclear destruction... The ancient Hittite cities of Turkey are vitrified, as are forts found in Peru, Scotland, Ireland, France, and India. The Mahabharata describes the blast in India: 'It was a single projectile charged with all the power of the Universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame. . . . An iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death, which reduced to ashes the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andakhas.' .. . The Uruk Lament states that the gods themselves paled in horror at the devastation they had wrought, its 'gigantic rays reaching up to heaven ... the earth trembling to its core
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    In addition to landing on earth and bringing messages to certain individuals, the Old Testament reveals that Jehovah also brought several people to visit his "high places. "It gives many instances of Ezekiel being transported, using such descriptions as: "The spirit took me up ... took me by a lock of mine head, and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven ... lifted me up and brought me unto the east gate of the Lord's house ... brought me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain."

    On one occasion, Ezekiel didn't want to go. He said: "I heard also the noise of the wings of the living creatures that touched one another, and the noise of the wheels over against them, and a noise of great rushing. So the spirit lifted me up, and took me away, and I went in bitterness, in the heat of my spirit; but the hand of the Lord was strong upon me."

    In the New Testament, Philip was lifted up and set down somewhere else; John was carried away in the spirit and set upon a mountain; and even Jesus, during his temptation, was transported by Satan from the wilderness to the top of the temple pinnacle, then set upon a mountain.
    When Jehovah invited Moses, Aaron and seventy of the elders to ascend Mt. Sinai, they actually "saw the God of Israel and did eat and drink.
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    During the "miracle" at Fatima, Portugal, in 1917, when 80,000 people were gathered in the rain. Suddenly a huge spacecraft, described as "a luminous globe spinning through the clouds," stopped to hover over the people. It blocked the rain and hid the sun. When the brightly lighted craft moved forward, then backward and skipped around, the natives presumed that the sun was moving. This was a common mistake, for both David and Paul described the brilliance "as the sun before me. A glowing craft was also mistaken for the sun during ancient times when the sun "stood still and hasted not to go down about a whole day," and the sun "moved ten degrees backward," actions which Isaiah called Jehovah's "strange act, Strange indeed, for the sun does not behave in this manner, while a shining spacecraft could easily give this illusion.
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    Although modern-day angels are depicted with wings and halos, those of the Old Testament appeared as ordinary men who walked, talked, slept and ate, so beware 'lest you "entertain angels unaware." Jacob even "wrestled with an angel" and saw angels ascending and descending on a ladder (transporter beam) that reached from earth to heaven, with Jehovah or one of the astronauts standing above it.The angels did, however, display
    superior powers; manifesting fire and disappearing at will. Both them and their crafts were evidently interdimensional.

    (Yes, after Jacob wrestled with the angel, I think that was when the angel gave him the name Israel, the bible is interesting oo ).
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    One of the clearest biblical scriptures of smaller shuttle crafts emerging from a large mothership states: "And I turned and lifted up mine eyes and looked, and behold, there came four chariots out from between two mountains; and the mountains were mountains of brass."
    Doesn't that remind you of the modern-day sightings that claim to have seen smaller "chariots (spacecraft)" emerging from a larger mothership?

    And a huge mothership does indeed resemble a "mountain of brass!" The Old Testament describes Jehovah's mothership, the abode of the gods, by such glorious terms as: "City of God, Sanctuary, Tabernacle, Secret Place of the Most High, Pavilion, Place of Thunder, Refuge, Hiding Place, Shield, Congregation, Holy Hill, Holy Mountain, Holy Habitation, Footstool, Throne and Mount Zion."

    Isaiah described being transported into Jehovah's "throne" within the mothership, saying: "Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly". When Daniel visited, he saw "thousand thousands ministering unto him and ten thousand times ten thousand standing before Jehovah. So it had to have been a gigantic craft!

    David, after being "brought forth [beamed up]," then "hiding" in Jehovah's "pavilion," called it "a large place" that is "high above all the people." Longing to return, he said: "How amiable are thy tabernacles, 0 Lord of hosts! My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the Lord.... For a day in the courts is better than a thousand."

    The Prophet Amos called God's abode "stories in the heaven." Great shades of Star
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    Was Jehovah's spacecraft called "Zion'?" Since the actual Mount Zion, or Mount Hermon, is a peak in Syria, it is interesting that Jehovah, calling the Hebrews by the pet-name, "Jeshurun," referred to them as "Syrians."
    The transfiguration of Jesus occurred on Mount Hermon ("Sion" or "Zion") and it has been prophesied that he will return there with many "angels" and "one hundred forty-four thousand" chosen disciples.

    The name "Zion" was not mentioned during the time of Moses. Its spiritual significance began when David took the "castle" or "stronghold of Zion," one of the seven hills of Jerusalem. After making it the capital of Israel, it was referred to as "the City of David, which is Zion," but the name "Zion" also seems to indicate the loftier "abode" of Jehovah that is described as orbiting "high above the people.

    Some scholars will argue that "Zion" refers only to Jerusalem, but the Bible distinguishes: "Ye are come unto Mount Zion, and unto the Heavenly Jerusalem. The Jerusalem which is above [hovering] is free, which is mother [mothership] of us all.
    The Old Testament says "Mount Zion cannot be removed, but abideth forever," while the city of Jerusalem was destroyed several times.



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    The Hindus call the "abode" of their "gods" "Mount Meru" or "Hiranyapura, the Golden City;" the Atlanteans referred to it as "Sumeru;" the Iranians use the term "'Illiyum;" the Canaanites called it the "Crest of Zaphon;" and the Buddhists call it "Zinnola." The term "Mount Atlas" was used in Atlantis;
    "Asgard" and "Valhalla" in the Nordic teachings; "Tilmun," "Dilmun" or "Mount Mashu" in Sumeria; "Mount Olympus" in ancient Greece; and "The Great White Throne" in Freemasonry.

    Almost every culture has a concept of a tribal "god" who lives in a "heavenly abode." These huge motherships are not detected by our radar systems because they are fourth dimension. The smaller shuttle crafts and rockets can evidently attune their frequency to the third dimension in order to function here.
    Are all these "heavenly abodes" in the same location? "Mount Zion" is said to be "above" Jerusalem,while Shamballa is said to hover over the Gobi Desert, Mount Atlas over Greece, and Valhalla over Scandinavia. Remember that each of the "gods" was assigned a specific area. Detailed accounts are given of Ezekiel's visit to one of these "abodes" and also of the "Holy Mountain of God" from which the Prince of Tyrus was expelled, but neither of these are called "Zion. Just as there are higher and lower levels in the divine hierarchy, there are evidently higher and lower vibrational levels of motherships.

    The New Testament, speaking of the "third heaven" as well as the "many mansions," states that while Paul was "caught up to the third heaven, he heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. A "third heaven" would indicate there are several dimensions. Using the plural term "heavens, heavenly places," and "worlds," the Bible refers to the "heaven" into which David and Jesus ascended, to "sit at the right hand of God," as being "higher than the heavens." This indicates that
    there are many kingdoms, planetary, as well as the "higher heavens" that are solar, galactic and universal. The Koran, as well as The Enoch, of Book speaks of seven heavens. Promising to gather the Hebrews from captivity, Jehovah promises: "If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee. Was he was afraid the other "gods" might abduct and carry some of his people to another planet?
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    David asked, "Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? Who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

    Isaiah asked: "Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?Jehovah answered: "I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit."
    Enoch was "translated" to heaven;

    Elijah "went up by a whirlwind;"

    David "sits at the right hand of God;"
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