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    Default Must God be alive and intelligent?

    How could such a god be even considered to be alive? Life is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signaling and self-sustaining processes (biology) from those that do not, either because such functions have ceased (death), or else because they lack such functions and are classified as inanimate. In biology, the science of life, life includes

    * metabolism
    * maintenance of homeostasis,
    * the capacity to grow,
    * the ability to respond to stimuli,
    * the ability to reproduce
    * and through natural selection, adapt to their environment in successive generations.

    These characteristics do not apply to most definitions of God. How can an omnipresent entity be said to grow? How can a singular entity reproduce?

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    1. There exists movement in the world.
    2. Things that move were set into motion by something else.
    3. If everything that moves were caused to move by something else, there would be an infinite chain of causes. This can't happen.
    4. Thus, there must have been something that caused the first movement.
    5. This first cause cannot itself have been moved.
    6. There must be an unmoved mover. We call this unmoved mover God.

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    Ok, lets reason together....

    I pulled this from a Zen teaching.............

    GOD IS DEAD, NOW ZEN IS THE ONLY LIVING
    TRUTH. The series is dedicated to Friedrich Nietzsche, who was the first man in the history of mankind to declare, ”God is dead, therefore man is free.”
    It was a tremendous statement; its implications are many. First I would like to discuss Nietzsche’s statement.

    All the religions believe that God created the world and also mankind. But if you are created by someone, you are only a puppet, you don’t have your own soul. And if you are created by somebody, he can uncreate you any moment. He neither asked you whether you wanted to be created, nor is he going to ask you, ”Do you want to be uncreated?”
    God is the greatest dictator, if you accept the fiction that he created the world and also created mankind. If God is a reality, then man is a slave, a puppet. All the strings are in his hands, even your life. Then there is no question of any enlightenment. Then there is no question of there being any Gautam the Buddha, because there is no freedom at all. He pulls the strings, you dance; he pulls the strings, you cry; he pulls the strings, you start murders, suicide, war. You are just a puppet and
    he is the puppeteer.

    Then there is no question of sin or virtue, no question of sinners and saints. Nothing is good and nothing is bad, because you are only a puppet. A puppet cannot be responsible for its actions. Responsibility belongs to someone who has the freedom to act. Either God can exist or freedom, both cannot exist together. That is the basic implication of Friedrich Nietzsche’s statement: God is dead, therefore man is free.

    No theologian, no founder of religions thought about this, that if you accept God as the creator, you are destroying the whole dignity of consciousness, of freedom, of love. You are taking all responsibility from man, and you are taking all his freedom away. You are reducing the whole of existence to just the whim of a strange fellow called God.

    to be continued.................
    When one loses the deep intimate relationship with nature, then temples, mosques and churches become important.
    .........Jiddu Krishnamurti

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